This might work in the short-term, but the moment that demand recovers, the airline is going to have to significantly increase pay, or it will risk having pilots leave in droves. Employees pay for their school and housing, but Breeze gets the tax savings. But.can't raise interest. How many people can't afford to start a new business or begin a new endeavour because they are tethered to their current employer solely because of the insurance. Which means, the flight attendant occupation is DIRECTLY responsible for marketing the company to the public. Look down, "Your Highness". Do you want your pilots to be the bottom of the barrel? Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. I would have jumped at this deal in college. The offered wages are above-average ates in the United States.
Breeze Airways And its our fault. This wage is above the federal minimum wage, includes housing and a $6k tuition credit. may be it is totally moronic. This airline is banking on their 4 year contract holding up. The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. Does New Carrier Breeze Airways Pay Pilots Enough. First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. *No insurance provided. the percentage of revenues it gets to keep, but because Spirit makes so little revenue on their high-cost investments they don't add up to much. However, in reality thats not hugely different than the schedules that flight attendants work at other airlines full time. Many may look back later in life with a better career and better economics fondly with the experience they had along with friendships made. At the end of the day your skill set is only worth what the market will pay. I can't always trust a computer system to give me the perks or pay attention to the details I care about. Someone has the verb and the noun meanings of intern confused. I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. They cost a lot to train up and cost a lot to manage. Thanks for being transparent that these comments are nearly all from a union organizing push before the airline even launches. You have successfully joined our subscriber list. I commuted weekly on Southwest out of MDW got an apartment with 5 other classmates. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. Spirit airlines is one of the most profitable airlines in the world proving that many people care more about price than most other things on flights. David Neeleman has always been a skinflint. Be honest. I'm curious how many days on-call per month they have. At those rates, retention will be a huge problem. Minimum wage in Utah is $7.25/hr and cost of living there is pretty low. To work part-time only, with no benefits, as an "intern". I wonder if its plausible he could bring some pilots up from Azul to fill gaps if US pilots arent too interested? Here's to hoping for an actual pilot shortage in the next few years, and then we'll all be laughing at this ridiculous pay.
Breeze Airways Flight Attendant Salaries in the United States It's extremely spot on that the second comment on this article was written by a guy whose photo is a selfie in his car while wearing sunglasses. They are exploiting pilots. Given the circumstances, the airline carrier will be in dire need of profits to recoup its initial investments. This number represents the median, which is the midpoint of the ranges from our proprietary Total Pay Estimate model and based on salaries collected from our users. This seems more in line with what they should be receiving for compensation. Great idea. I explained more in my previous posts. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! Students hired by Breeze under the program, however, can only work as flight attendants while they are completing the university course. So, that will Hey. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. Log into your account. less than daily to leisure/small markets. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. Interesting model. Then there are the wages and hours questions. You seem to be an angry young man.
Breeze Airways to Offer Pilots Uncompetitive Pay Of course we know what Nelson is really up: unions cant stand having to compete and this model could threaten her power and the power of her union. I don't know how Breeze expects to hire the best people who invest in the job at those wages. It's funny, isn't it the view of things changes upon where you're standing. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. Can you imagine just getting a text message your flight is canceled and you're rescheduled for 2 days laterand you can't call anyone to change it? Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. Or maybe the extension to San Francisco's Oakland Bay Bridge, built entirely in China, shipped across the ocean in pieces, and bolted together by 100% American union labor for a living wage. Our point-to-point network means no connections for an easier, quicker and nicer journey. Procter and Gamble, I'm thinking of you! May I ask the age range that they are seeking @TravisFromORD? Not everyone is born into wealth and that could be one of the deciding factors for people to apply. The pay is horrifically low, though. 1) Why not schedule surgery with a "doctor as an intern.?". Aviation professionals pay has changed dramatically, starting in the late 80s. Sorry @john S. my comment was for @Monty C. -. but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. As youd expect, existing flight attendant unions will no doubt be targeting Breeze: The largest U.S. flight attendants union says it looks like an attempt to abuse federal work-study subsidies to hold down labor costs. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. We don't really know enough at this point. 10 years have passed, the salary for new FO's are basically the same but now you need at least 10 year as FO to become a captain. For now its all supply and demand compounded with an industry in the toilet. And I agree with the fellow poster RE: all very young kids, limited work experience not what Id want in an emergency. Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), Here is JetBlue Airways pilot pay scale for the same airplane. Breeze Airways Overview Overview 56 Reviews 39 Jobs 5 Salaries 35 Interviews 16 Benefits -- Photos View Jobs at Breeze Airways Breeze Airways Overview Work Here? D. Delta Echo Well-Known Member. hide. But how does this affect pay for pilots? Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! I will be marching tomorrow on May Day for an egalitarian communist revolution with hundreds of myvworking class comrades in Brooklyn. Alaska Airlines Business Card Review: 70K Miles & Lufthansas Boeing 787 Business Class: Exactly As Expected. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. I could have worked for the also defunct Pilgrim Airlines. Very clever. It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. For example, I recently wrote about how Breeze is only hiring flight attendants if they enroll full time in college, and live in company housing. Almost every airline has it in the @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. El Segundo, CA 90245, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Meet the Breeze team at upcoming events! less than daily to leisure/small markets. No thank you! The comments in here are so disheartening. JetBlue pilots earn significantly more per hour and are given a 70-hour monthly guarantee. Not sure if labor pool for whom the model fits is really large enough to support high turnover baked into the model or can support scale to provide regular flight frequency but we'll see. As a college student, I love the idea! Glassdoor provides our best prediction for total pay in today's job market, along with other types of pay like cash bonuses, stock bonuses, profit sharing, sales commissions, and tips. You could sit around half a day, everyday, and not get paid for it. Also: are families welcome? The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. And in the interview say no thanks pay to low and walk out. They have no employees right now and are relying upon applicants to look at the pay and say "Sounds good enough to me." My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. This is absolutely exploitive. I'll work my fingers to the bone as an intern but a stipend of $1,200 a month won't go far with a medical emergency. If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. Maybe we should let other adults be adults, and them have the freedom to figure out what works well for their own lives. So a lifelong career. Guess if you cannot beat them, whisper sweet anti-mormon cult. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. I liked the idea of them providing housing so I didn't have to scramble to find a crash pad or sign a lease somewhere. Of course, I know plenty of poor souls that wont have a choice.
[Breeze] Airways - Airline Pilot Central Forums These numbers are minimums. Your slip is showing. As a society we have started to forget the notion of a first job leading to better skills and better salary. So, that will be difficult. Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? Ben -- one thing that seems to be missing from your calculus and the comments: equity. You think the fact they've bought a union card somehow empowers them with experience? Most professionals are comfortable with the idea of a starter job, and aren't looking for a father figure in their employer to guide them gently into old age. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business.
Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month - One Mile at a Time Hey. Tons of excess pilot supply at the moment. Oh wait. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? Be honest. Breeze's minimum qualifications The basic requirements to become a Breeze pilot come down to flight hours. This arrogant capitalist needs to be forced to live in poverty too. So a lifelong career. Who here wants to entrust their lives to "fresh" ill-paid FAs? I have no doubts in my mind that they'll increase it in time, but they need a few years of profitability under their belt first so they can justifiably offer higher hours/pay. Breeze Does it Better Our Perks Straight to the point. Clearly Breeze has already figured out that people who fall into their trap will regret their circumstances; that's why Breeze is also making them sign a 4-year contract. Nevertheless, Breeze Airways is still on track to launch in the US in the first quarter of 2021. The $1200 a month is not really a salary, but rather a stipend for a college-like experience while interning as FA part time. Of Course, Oops: Jetstars Embarrassing Bali Flight Blunder. I know that Breeze is hiring for captain right seat flying, aka the pilot has captain qualifications, but will be flying as first officers until there is enough flying for them to be moved to the left seat. You don't get any insurances. Sure, theres the free market, but this also seems borderline exploitative. Unions. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. Checking in Online. A great position to have in your 20's while you work towards advancing your education or other opportunities. 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. Kendor gonna be thrilled when Breeze slashes wages by another third in exchange for company scrip redeemable for filet mignon sandwiches. No Per Diem. You get paid to sign up more people to pay union dues. After the carrier recently announced the hourly pay offered to pilots, however, the aforementioned description may not be satisfactory. "Filet mignon sandwich?" The estimated base pay is $3,842 per month. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. This isnt a job, its servitude by hopeless people who have been abandoned by their government and economic system. @Jason -- Sprit is not that profitable, certainly nowhere close to Delta. A union can negotiate for the whole group, unity makes force. First year SkyWest pilots make more than Breeze pilots. There's a good chance that well-spoken, polished, and slightly tired surgeon you call "doctor", who has "MD" on their snappy-looking business card, and who so patiently listens to all of your ailments and deep thoughts about dizziness and tinnitus is a resident physician, AKA an intern. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. It is a pity that in this country, health care should fall on the shoulders of an employer or the employee. If you fly anywhere close to a normal schedule, the numbers look brighter.